their rubies smaller running deficits but that was the course scope and size issue. they said it is semantics but that is not the case. lori: do they not like him because he is a tough negotiator? >> that is part of it. >> except john kerry every nomination is criticized even in hagel is not good enough. so the backdrop of the obama was working in with a first term and dynamics were different but that was a solid choice and we could have huge ffghts ahead of us. >> with the cuts coming he no -- we know he will support the spending increase. republicans argue the days of the surplus are long gone. he is in favor of a total reform? >> isn't that much tougher fight? >> it will be fight right -- jeff regardless. he has seen it done before. with 1983 james baker sat down with tip o'neill at 9:00 tonight and signed the final agreement. we don't have that environment anymore. maybe that is good for the sunshine law but with intense media scrutiny and day-to-day negotiations it is tougher to get the deal done. i would like for them to go to camp david for one week. lori: wit